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  1. You mean there were only 6 Canaanite nations? Chivi and Chiti were one? I don't think so or we would not have always said there were seven.

    1. I didn't mention the Chivi. Rather, I mentioned the Yevusi and the Chiti, specifically saying that they were the same people — according to Rashi, who sourced Pirkei d'Rabbi Eliezer. Here's the words of Rashi: וְלֹא יְבוּסִים הָיוּ, אֶלָּא חִתִּיִּים הָיוּ, אֶלָּא עַל שֵׁם הָעִיר שֶׁשְּׁמָהּ יְבוּס, כָּךְ מְפֹרָשׁ בְּפִרְקֵי דְּרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר.

      1. I meant Yevusi. I know Pirkei D’Rabbi Eliezer said what they said. But it doesn’t answer the question of seven Amamim, and if you combine two of them you get six.

        1. We should be very careful not to dismiss the words of Chazal too quickly because they may be difficult to understand. Here, all they are saying is that the inhabitants of Yevus were no longer Yevusi but rather Chiti, that the Chiti took over Yevus some time in the past, but they continued to be called Yevusi in that city (even though they were Chiti) because that was the name of the place. Nothing too bizarre, and we still have the 7 nations. This is, in fact, what I wrote in the article: "The B’nei Chet…also lived in Yerushalayim. The so-called Yevusi of Yerushalayim were, in fact, the same people as the B’nei Chet of Chevron." Nothing was said about combining two nations into one, rather, all that is said that the inhabitants of Yevus weren't Yevusi anymore.

  2. Yoav was not such a Tzadik. He killed Avner because he was a threat to replace him as commander of Dovid's army. When Amasa replaced Yoav as commander, he killed him.
    He sided with Adoniah against Dovid.
    On Dovid's deathbed he told Shlomo to have Avner killed, and that's how he died.
    My own explanation why he was buried in the desert is because he committed so much treachery.

    1. Regarding the meaning of being buried in the desert, I merely quoted the Gemara. If you have another explanation, that's fine — it's just that you'd be going up against Chazal though.

      As for the reason Yoav executed Avner, check out the discussion on Sanhedrin 49a. Yoav successfully defended himself against the charge of murder and the court accepted his explanation that he was acting as avenger of the blood for the killing of Asahel. As for the killing of Amasa, it's complicated. Tosafos believes that the court agreed that Yoav was not liable for killing Amasa because he really believed he was a traitor. The Maharsha disagrees and says that the court held that Yoav was liable for that and for being a traitor against the crown himself regarding his support for Adoniyah. Anyway, the whole subject is not so pashut.

      Yosef's brothers sold him thinking it was the right thing to do. Yet, they were all tzaddikim. So too here with Yoav, he was a big tzaddik, yet he lived in complex times and made decisions based on his understanding of Torah, etc. The fact that he was was wrong about Adoniyah and liable for treason (in the end) does not detract from his righteousness. He was a huge baal chesed.

  3. I like to stick to Pshat when I learn Tanach. Shivim Panim l’Torah and if Chazal want to Doresh one can still have a different opinion in the search for truth. Again I’m familiar what Chazal say but In these kind of instances I prefer to look at Pshat.
    Hashem gave each of us a brain, that is not just to be used to repeat what we learn in the text but to use our understanding as long as we stick to the rules.
    Rashbam said in Parshat Lech Lecha that my grandfather told me that if he could change some of his comments he had said earlier he would.
    Like all of us the commentators were also Basar v’Dam and fallible. Only Hashem is perfection.

    1. I'm not so sure that the discussion in the Gemara about Yoav isn't pshat. It sounds a lot like pshat to me. It's just a careful exposition of different pasukim.

      But it think we have a fundamentally different way of looking at Nach. I go the opposite way from you (when I can). Sod is the deepest and most pure look at the truth of a pasuk. Remez and drash are not as deeper, not as 'real' but still more to the source of truth that pshat. Finally, pshat is the clothing of the clothing of the clothing, and therefore, the farthest away from the source of the truth itself. It's true, of course, but at a much more superficial level. (This is generally the level for halachah). Therefore, we must be very careful about pshat to make sure that we're actually understanding pshat and not misunderstanding it.

      As always, I enjoy these discussions.

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